tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post5677340376821023577..comments2024-03-28T12:39:05.941-04:00Comments on Parents' Coalition of Montgomery County, Maryland: Econ 101 and the BudgetJanis Sartuccihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-35711041942087829602011-06-03T21:45:02.548-04:002011-06-03T21:45:02.548-04:00Paula- I think the issue would be in having the &q...Paula- I think the issue would be in having the "RA" approve the selection of the candidate... MCEA could get the interview team in during July- but they wouldn't be able to get the Rep Assembly approval until late August or early September. That of course, is not politically convenient- where in lies the real issue here.Mike McCabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443642039862453888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-76084542971047127862011-06-02T09:41:26.309-04:002011-06-02T09:41:26.309-04:00I have proposed some changes to be made in the des...I have proposed some changes to be made in the description of the process that MCEA uses to endorse candidates, including specifying a date as Janis asked above. My suggestions will go to the Board of MCEA to be considered. <br />Paula: the number of teachers involved in the MCEA endorsement process is much more than the number of people in other organizations involved in endorsing candidates. I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-27521444275296488242011-06-01T23:53:30.192-04:002011-06-01T23:53:30.192-04:00Mr. McCabe, thanks for your comment. The other or...Mr. McCabe, thanks for your comment. The other organizations in this county to my knowledge do interview every candidate. They take the time. And, the interviews are open. Anyone from the organization can attend. In addition, the other organizations are all-volunteer organizations. No one gets paid. They take the time in the evenings and weekends to volunteer to do these interviews. So, Paula Bienenfeldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089199308488645244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-47365550471598688502011-05-31T20:33:33.866-04:002011-05-31T20:33:33.866-04:00I don't understand how we teachers could ever ...I don't understand how we teachers could ever argue that it's in our best interest not to interview every candidate. Ever. We interviewed 4 of 10 candidates. We interviewed ONLY the incumbents. If we were just an interest group that'd be fine. But when you purport to represent the views of a majority of teachers- this becomes an unacceptable misrepresentation. <br /><br />Mike McCabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08443642039862453888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-26773999821269933202011-05-31T12:23:04.201-04:002011-05-31T12:23:04.201-04:00Thanks. That blows the "file by the end of th...Thanks. That blows the "file by the end of the school year" comment by the anonymous commenter.<br /><br />So that's not the rule.<br /><br />The rule is to read questionnaires after the fact to find out the deadline? Really?<br /><br />OK - so one more time: The date by which candidates are to file to run for an office in the 2012 election in order to be interviewed by the Apple Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-82997949715825853222011-05-31T12:02:57.298-04:002011-05-31T12:02:57.298-04:00I found this on one of the questionaires returned ...I found this on one of the questionaires returned by a candidate for the County Council. It was a link off of this page: http://mcea.nea.org/candidatequestionnaires.php<br /><br />"Please return the completed questionnaire by Monday, May 24, 2010 at 9:00 a.m. to MCEA, 12 Taft Court Rockville, Md. 20850, attention Jon A. Gerson, via fax at (301) 309-9563 or email your response to jgerson@Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-57399606322360288072011-05-31T10:46:50.518-04:002011-05-31T10:46:50.518-04:00What exactly is the DATE by which candidates are t...What exactly is the DATE by which candidates are to file to run for an office in 2012 to then be interviewed by the Apple?<br /><br />Come on Apple folks, let's get that exact date out there right now. <br /><br />And the date is ____________?Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-28745983198200810542011-05-31T10:43:20.705-04:002011-05-31T10:43:20.705-04:00Candidates that "don't file before the en...Candidates that "don't file before the end of the school year"...<br /><br />Well there we go! Thanks for that new "rule", put your NAME behind that statement anonymous and we'll post the real story of the Apple Ballot. It's NOT what is stated on the MCEA website, is it? No.<br /><br />And, of course, even that statement isn't true!<br />Last year the Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-64800667176917314472011-05-29T21:57:57.915-04:002011-05-29T21:57:57.915-04:00Paula:
Where in the 8:48 post did Anonymous say t...Paula: <br />Where in the 8:48 post did Anonymous say this: "so what you are saying is that only professional pols and people who 'know the process' should run?" Don't put words into other people's mouths Paula. MCEA takes the process of endorsing candidates very seriously. The process is not just two people sitting around coffee at Starbucks deciding who to endorse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-87572179053349211692011-05-28T15:53:54.754-04:002011-05-28T15:53:54.754-04:00Paula:
No inside knowledge needed. Again, Google &...Paula:<br />No inside knowledge needed. Again, Google "mcea apple ballot". Pick the second web site. Read. Anyone, whether they be a "professional pol" or an ordinary citizen like Louis Wilen, should be able to do that. Again Paula, do your homework if you want to be on the County Council and, Paula, have some foresight and plan ahead and above all, don't procrastinate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-33978164813163835312011-05-28T08:37:00.434-04:002011-05-28T08:37:00.434-04:00Paula Bienenfeld said...
Anonymous @8:48 AM, so wh...Paula Bienenfeld said...<br />Anonymous @8:48 AM, so what you are saying is that only professional pols and people who 'know the process' should run? That would limit the people's choice quite a bit. There should be room in a real democracy for a citizen to run, not just a professional politician with connections and inside knowlege. I have similar experience to those who have run Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-85564627442129039332011-05-27T12:51:09.581-04:002011-05-27T12:51:09.581-04:00Candidates who don't file before the end of th...Candidates who don't file before the end of the school year and don't request an interview don't get one. If they want to get MCEA's endorsement, then they can either get their acts together and file before the Apple ballot comes out or live with their disappointment. <br /><br />Really, do you think you are providing any sort of accuracy on here? Doesn't look like it to meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-54144223233981023502011-05-27T12:31:03.366-04:002011-05-27T12:31:03.366-04:00Did the individuals from the Parents Coalition fil...Did the individuals from the Parents Coalition file before MCEA interviewed candidates? If so, seems like they have a reason to gripe. If not, seems like they don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-3202082649062044762011-05-27T11:06:10.434-04:002011-05-27T11:06:10.434-04:00@ l. friedman
You sure did fail. It's called ...@ l. friedman<br /><br />You sure did fail. It's called a "filing" when a candidate announces that they are running for an office. It's the legal process that is used to determine who will run for an elected office. It's a public process that all of the other organizations that endorse candidates seem to be able to use just fine. <br /><br />Oh, but the Apple Ballot doesn&#Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-56524715410964862172011-05-27T10:57:25.126-04:002011-05-27T10:57:25.126-04:00To Anon of May 27, 2011 10:22 AM:
I did my homewo...To Anon of May 27, 2011 10:22 AM:<br /><br />I did my homework. The MCEA's deadline is the moment that they have chosen the person they want to represent their labor union, and not a second later. They make their choice well in advance of the election, and anyone who isn't a tool of the labor union is automatically shut out.Local Tax Experthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06521599693099512062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-58476727937114006732011-05-27T10:53:33.440-04:002011-05-27T10:53:33.440-04:00Sorry I failed mind reading 101--if you do not LET...Sorry I failed mind reading 101--if you do not LET someone know what YOU Plan to DO then HOW can YOU get an INVITE?? <br /><br />SO MCEA IS CORRECT--ALL ARE INVITED TO INTERVIEW, if one knows that they are thinking/planning to run. IF no one knows YOUR plans then how can they ask you to an interview--WHAT YOU ARE REALLY SAYING IS THAT YOU- OR THOSE WHO DID NOT INTERVIEW DID NOT WANT ANYONE TO l. friedmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-22434189121229928192011-05-27T10:42:08.323-04:002011-05-27T10:42:08.323-04:00Thanks! So the Apple Ballot is a FRAUD! Good to kn...Thanks! So the Apple Ballot is a FRAUD! Good to know! <br /><br />The link you (anonymous MCPS person can't commit to a position) provided says that the Apple has the "most thorough screening process of any organization in the county" - nothing but marketing spin, no truth to that statement!<br /><br />How about a more truthful statement of the "process?" <br /><br />The Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-42515947274813815822011-05-27T10:30:27.418-04:002011-05-27T10:30:27.418-04:00@9:27
To summarize, here are two reasons:
1. http...@9:27<br />To summarize, here are two reasons:<br />1. http://www.mcea.nea.org/pdf/MCEACandidateRecommendationProcess.pdf <br />2. logistics (10:13's point)<br /><br />It really boggles my mind to figure out why this is rocket science for many of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-86878060292548446842011-05-27T10:22:16.205-04:002011-05-27T10:22:16.205-04:00Louis:
If you want the MCEA's endorsement, do ...Louis:<br />If you want the MCEA's endorsement, do your homework, find out the deadlines, and let them know you want to run. There's no make-up exam if you chose to miss the deadline. That's the way MCEA does it. If you don't like it, don't seek their endorsement. But don't whine about it afterwards. Grow up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-24413420877865065872011-05-27T09:27:19.082-04:002011-05-27T09:27:19.082-04:00EVERY organization that issues endorsements to MCP...EVERY organization that issues endorsements to MCPS Board of Education candidates -- with the exception of the MCEA -- waits until after the campaign registration deadline to issue their endorsements. Why does the MCEA issue their endorsements BEFORE the campaign registration deadline? There is only reason that makes any sense at all, and that is that the BOE candidates that are endorsed by theLocal Tax Experthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06521599693099512062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-31999383834310514522011-05-27T09:27:18.692-04:002011-05-27T09:27:18.692-04:00Not at all. MCEA/Apple Ballot SAYS they invite all...Not at all. MCEA/Apple Ballot SAYS they invite all candidates to interview and have a rigorous process.<br /><br />It's a fib, that's all.<br /><br />It's called false advertising. Very simple.<br /><br />And where EXACTLY does the Apple Ballot website say that the hand picked candidates will be contributing $6,000 to the Apple Ballot with the endorsement? Is it in the fine print?<br Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-12508816903268716842011-05-27T08:48:00.356-04:002011-05-27T08:48:00.356-04:00OMG, so many of you are acting like victims! One w...OMG, so many of you are acting like victims! One would hope that if someone is running for the County Council, they would have enough knowledge of the political process in this county to know about the Apple Ballot. To say that no one asked you to interview is immature, and you don't deserve to be on the Council anyway. If I was running for the Council, I would be trying to get as many Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-6115676900492738042011-05-27T08:46:41.639-04:002011-05-27T08:46:41.639-04:00Google "mcea apple ballot". Pick the sec...Google "mcea apple ballot". Pick the second web site. Read. If one is serious about running for County Council, then do your homework. It's really not that hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-5553351723423469322011-05-27T08:32:06.703-04:002011-05-27T08:32:06.703-04:00Candidates must let MCEA/Apple know they are "...Candidates must let MCEA/Apple know they are "thinking" of running? That's not what MCEA says. They say all candidates are invited to interview. So clearly the MCEA statement is not correct. Candidates are not invited at all!<br /><br />How exactly are candidates to know when MCEA is "thinking" of making their endorsements? Is it 3,4 6 months, a year or more before an Janis Sartuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17027024806736232367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-722263422968684230.post-38750782801642727082011-05-27T07:57:10.192-04:002011-05-27T07:57:10.192-04:00Candidates do not have to file by the time we inte...Candidates do not have to file by the time we interview and it is THEIR choice to let MCEA know that THEY are thinking of running. I, too, have sat in the interview process and many have not filed but intend to by the July deadline. So it is THEIR choice not to be interviewed—not OURS.<br /><br />- L. Friedman (MCPS teacher)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com